Posts by Muddy Waters

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Having children is bad

by dissonance_resolved in

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went to the weeknight meeting this week for the first time in a long while.

the study was all about how having children was ill-advised in this time of the end- the comments dwelled on what a burden children are, how you can spend more time in the ministry without children, and look what they did in jerusalem- they cannabilized their own children!

it's going to be so horrible to watch our children suffer during the great tribulation!

Muddy Waters

Data-Dog: The Jeremiah book, chapter 8, paragraphs 1-7 (starts on page 92).

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Rutherford may have been right on one thing.....

by EndofMysteries in

i remember seeing a few years ago articles posted about the strange things published that is considered nonsense today.

i remember one was him strongly opposed to anything with aluminum.

it's becoming increasingly mentioned as that being a major link to several autoimmune diseases and alheimers/dementia/etc.

Muddy Waters

The vaccine issue is one that I've been doing a lot of research into recently. There are many compelling arguments and research *against* vaccination. Again, one needs to hear from BOTH sides of an issue/argument to come to their own conclusion.

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Having children is bad

by dissonance_resolved in

jw
friends

went to the weeknight meeting this week for the first time in a long while.

the study was all about how having children was ill-advised in this time of the end- the comments dwelled on what a burden children are, how you can spend more time in the ministry without children, and look what they did in jerusalem- they cannabilized their own children!

it's going to be so horrible to watch our children suffer during the great tribulation!

Muddy Waters

I've never forgotten one of Ray Franz's quotes in CoC regarding the extent in which the Society involves themselves (imposes themselves) in people's lives involving LIFE'S MOST PRECIOUS ASSETS -- children (the decision to have or not to have), education, career, use of one's time, choice of marriage mate (or remaining single).... They impose their values and strictures on people for the good of the organization and railroad their members and drive them into the ground while constantly taking, taking, taking from them.

When Rutherford penned his evil tome, "Children", it was later described in a WT as a book which the children in the audience held dear to them, clasping the book to their bosom as something precious and valuble...
The most evil thing about this book was Rutherford's ranting against having any children! The hubris about delivering his special talk toward the children of the audience, and making his book a gift to the CHILDREN in the audience is especially despicable when once again, the aim was for people not to have any children or for these children to grow up and have children.

A people or group or organization who spurns children is a cold, dead, lifeless, heartless beast of a thing. There is no love there or love of life or appreciation of LIFE and future. The GB is like a group of already cold, dead men reaching with skeletal hands to take life from you and make you as dusty and cold and empty as they...

- Muddy

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July 15th Study Edition Is Up..

by confusedteenager in

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not sure if anyone mentioned this yet, but yeah.

they just posted up the new watchtower...with the confusing new information.. time for me to go dive into this "new light" and try to see what sense it makes.

of course cedars already nicely did a run down for us.. .

Muddy Waters

So.... omg, my brain is frying here trying to figure this nonsense out.

So... RUTHERFORD (as WTBTS president in 1919) was the FDS=governing body? *HE* was the first one?? He was the one who, after being examined by Jesus, was then approved?? He was the only person on the whole earth who merited the esteemed title of FDS?

And even though there was no functioning "governing body" till the 1970's, somehow there was still a GB in 1919...??!!??? (A GB/FDS of *one*...?)

The WTBTS has taken this parable (to me, meaning only about faithful christians anywhere on the earth, at any time period) and made it into a prophecy full of their loaded terminology and convolutions and weird self-elevation of individuals as a class above other individuals....

But, come on..... **Rutherford**??!!??

My mind is boggling.

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2013 June Our Kingdom Ministry!

by Atlantis in

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Muddy Waters

Thank you so much!

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AAWA is here!! (The Association of Anti-Watchtower Activists)

by cedars in

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcic4g5tulw.

http://www.jwactivists.org.

facebook the association of anti-watchtower activists.

Muddy Waters

Things like this make me very uneasy. I understand "AAWA" is new, is having growing pains. I do not know if all the temperments at the top level(s) of leadership are suited for the position(s). It seems that any dissent or disagreement is handled with the same heavy hand as that of the WTBTS. Don't like us? We'll shut you down, block your post, lock the thread, etc. It also seems that legitimate, reasonable questions are seen as attacks rather than requests for information.

The name and its angry tone does not sit well with me. If recovery, healing, understanding, and support for any JWs who wish to leave the WT organization -- is supposed to be one of AAWA's leading goals, then why not choose a name which has a much more positive focus? Steve Hasson recommends being subtle, gentle... because you are dealing with MIND CONTROL. You cannot open a person's mind who immediately thinks of you as antagonistic, apostate, or anti-WT.

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Did reading Jwfacts help you? Please take a moment to say thanks..

by The Quiet One in

it seems as though so many of the stories of people who are now mentally free that i read on here involved reading jwfacts.com at some point along the way.. he basically saved my sanity (questionable, i know!

), and was never as sensational and garish as other sites which immediately scared me away.

why not take a minute out of your day to say thanks for any difference that jwfacts made to your life, and tell us what it was that helped you?...

Muddy Waters

I came across the jwfacts website *after* I began doubting and questioning, and began looking online for resources. Their page about Jesus not being mediator for anyone else except the "144,000" was immensely helpful and well-researched.

A big THANK YOU for Paul and JW facts! Informative, helpful, well presented. :)

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AAWA is here!! (The Association of Anti-Watchtower Activists)

by cedars in

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcic4g5tulw.

http://www.jwactivists.org.

facebook the association of anti-watchtower activists.

Muddy Waters

Cedars, you said, in part, about AAWA's Mission Statement: " nowhere does it say that we will use internet forums in our decision making process."

Well, that sounds reasonable. HOWEVER, you WILL and DO use internet forums to gather support for AAWA, to announce, advertise and promote AAWA, and to ask for volunteers and other help. And you've mentioned in a few other posts on this thread that you DID talk about AAWA on another forum to gather ideas for the name and to get feedback.

Once again, and apologies if this horse is long beaten and dead now, but for a person who actively runs a SURVEY website for the JW community, it does surprise me that more input wasn't gathered regarding this aspect. Anyhoo. It also sounds that in wanting to surprise many people with this, you neglected to inform some of your potential key supporters.

A few people have described this forum as "too bickery, too divided, too wild-west" -- yet it is the top forum on Google whenever JW topics and subjects come up. It has a huge following and yes, you'll get some odd or combative responses, but for the most part, this forum has been a treasure house of information, JW history, support, and help as well. This forum has many long-time active users and ex-Bethelites, elders, MS's, etc., who have great insights and experience.

I for one, value many of the people here and the level of thoughtful comments and themes which get discussed here. You get an oddball comment, or a derisive voice, but this does not detract from the main information and value.

Well. I suppose enough has been said. Have a good day, all. :)

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AAWA is here!! (The Association of Anti-Watchtower Activists)

by cedars in

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcic4g5tulw.

http://www.jwactivists.org.

facebook the association of anti-watchtower activists.

Muddy Waters

Hey, Cedars, that's all right. No worries. As mentioned, I support and laud the AAWA's aims, goals, and mission statement.
(even if I don't totally like the name!) :)

You asked me if I ran a business, and at first wasn't going to answer, but thought you'd find this funny... but YES, I do, lol! I am co-owner of a small cleaning company! (What a surprise, hey! Imagine that! -- a JW or ex-JW rather, in the cleaning business!) But our company is *limited* rather than incorporated.

All the best to you and AAWA.

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AAWA is here!! (The Association of Anti-Watchtower Activists)

by cedars in

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcic4g5tulw.

http://www.jwactivists.org.

facebook the association of anti-watchtower activists.

Muddy Waters

Cedars, by only posting a PARTIAL quote from my opinion/observances, you neglected to respond to the MAIN point I was making.

My post (at bottom of page 12) read:

Cedars, regarding your reply to Vidiot:

Vidiot: "... had you guys considered fielding the JWN community for name suggestions?"

Cedars: "JWN is great and we value its support. For this reason we approached Simon directly before posting about AAWA, just to make sure we weren't treading on any toes. However on the decision-making side we are essentially running a business - and businesses are run by small groups of committed individuals and not by hundreds or thousands of people with completely varying mindsets, objectives and agendas. In the case of setting up AAWA, we preferred weeks of careful thought and deliberation between a group of likeminded and established activists to open debate on an internet forum. I think, as time passes, this will prove to have been the most prudent approach, but we are happy to let time be the judge of that."

I appreciate that you're running a business, yet I feel a bit hurt by this statement. After all, you do manage a website called JW SURVEY, and you do know that there are many intelligent, thoughtful people here at JWN who could give you valuble insight and opinions. I appreciate the aims, goals, and mission statement of AAWA, yet only a very small community of people were actively involved (eight people) and you wished to spring your newly formed non-profit organization as a surprise to everybody here.

You are asking for active support, contributions, volunteer help, donations, etc., yet you have excluded so much valuble input from so many esteemed and active people from this forum.

I do not wish to sound complaining. But your answer to Vidiot lacks some validity especially given the years you have spent in compiling information from surveys and the valuble information you have been given through your surveys. At some point you do need to come to a decision and reach consensus, I understand that. It just feels like there was HASTE and secrecy in putting your new association together. But perhaps not, as I do not know anything that has happened behind the scenes and the many emails and private messages and correspondence, legal activity, etc., which must have been going on as you incorporated this new association.

But when you run a website which very specifically asks for information through SURVEYS, it rather surprises me that there was no survey taken regarding a name for this association that you and a select few were putting together.

I do wish you all the best and I do very much agree that you have a worthy mission and goals through AAWA.

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As you can see from the CONTENT and whole of my post, I was rather questioning your reply to Vidiot regarding gathering input from more people concerning a name for your newly-formed association, especially seeing as how you run and operate a website specifically designed to gather information from SURVEYS.

Anyway, carry on, and have a fine day, dear sir. I do applaud the lofty goals and aims of AARWA.

- Muddy